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    Default America can relax and breathe a huge sigh of relief

    Even if Obama does NOTHING good:


    There will be no war with Iran

    The Military Commissions Act, which was ruled unconstitutional, will not be enforced because John McCain would have done it anyway

    The Iraq War will not continue to bleed hundreds of billions of dollars we don't have

    Congress will not be able to renew the copyrights on alternate energy that the oil companies own, like the NiMH battery used in the 1997 Toyota EV Rav-4.

    The Patriot Act will not be renewed

    The Wiretap Bill will not be renewed

    There will be no two-tiered internet

    The Presidency will no longer instruct the EPA not to enforce the Clean Water and Clean Air acts the way Bush has done





    ALL OF THAT IS A FREEBIE. OBAMA DOESN'T HAVE TO DO ANYTHING AND WE GET ALL THAT.



    Now:

    Now that the election is over I can say a big "**** YOU MIDDLE AMERICA" that was kind of impotent 4 years ago.




    Also, Obama can stop pretending he isn't a socialist and soon we will have free, nationalized health-care for everyone the same way that police and fire departments are free for anyone who needs them. And yes, your healthcare will be just as good if not better.

    Oil companies know the end is near. That is why they reaped their largest profit in history last quarter while the economy DIED. You should all expect Obama to outlaw the production of new combustion engines by 2010 and electric cars to come out NEXT YEAR.
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    LMAO, I guess Brigham Young shlt those 56 kids of his own out of his ass.

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    Let's hope so. I really feel great tonight.

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    Today was a great day in American history.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mobilus View Post
    Even if Obama does NOTHING good:


    There will be no war with Iran

    The Military Commissions Act, which was ruled unconstitutional, will not be enforced because John McCain would have done it anyway

    The Iraq War will not continue to bleed hundreds of billions of dollars we don't have

    Congress will not be able to renew the copyrights on alternate energy that the oil companies own, like the NiMH battery used in the 1997 Toyota EV Rav-4.

    The Patriot Act will not be renewed

    The Wiretap Bill will not be renewed

    There will be no two-tiered internet

    The Presidency will no longer instruct the EPA not to enforce the Clean Water and Clean Air acts the way Bush has done





    ALL OF THAT IS A FREEBIE. OBAMA DOESN'T HAVE TO DO ANYTHING AND WE GET ALL THAT.



    Now:

    Now that the election is over I can say a big "**** YOU MIDDLE AMERICA" that was kind of impotent 4 years ago.




    Also, Obama can stop pretending he isn't a socialist and soon we will have free, nationalized health-care for everyone the same way that police and fire departments are free for anyone who needs them. And yes, your healthcare will be just as good if not better.

    Oil companies know the end is near. That is why they reaped their largest profit in history last quarter while the economy DIED. You should all expect Obama to outlaw the production of new combustion engines by 2010 and electric cars to come out NEXT YEAR.



    What a relief.
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    RIP America: Land of the free, home of the brave.

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    Whatever deg, let's just see in 4 years.

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    may the 4 years pass swiftly, and the next election elect Ron Paul.

    god i hate obama, may everything he wishes to enact be turned down, in fact if he does absolutly nothing, I would be happy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mobilus
    ...free, nationalized health-care for everyone the same way that police and fire departments are free for anyone who needs them. And yes, your healthcare will be just as good if not better.
    As one of your neighbors to the north who already embrace this system, I can tell you that it is neither free nor better. It's certainly less expensive than your current system, though, but that is countered by higher taxes and medical services bills yearly.

    You're not going to pay when you go visit the hospital, but you're going to pay for medical whether you use it or not. One advantage, though, is that the more money you end up spending on medical care in a year, the more of your medication the government pays for. For example, the medication I take to control Crohn's disease is $120 for a 30 day supply. By the time April rolled around I was only paying $40, and now I'm paying $8. Last year in December I got three bottles (90 day supply) for $1.95. Not sure if there is a similar system already in place in the US.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Perma View Post
    As one of your neighbors to the north who already embrace this system, I can tell you that it is neither free nor better. It's certainly less expensive than your current system, though, but that is countered by higher taxes and medical services bills yearly.
    Also the lack of punctual service, and massive waiting lists; so i hear from my cousins in BC.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Degausser View Post
    Also the lack of punctual service, and massive waiting lists; so i hear from my cousins in BC.
    Yeah, surgery waiting lists (even very pressing ones) can take months or even years. And waiting in a hospital, well... I waited for eight hours to get a prescription filled. This is mostly due to being understaffed because a government subsidized healthcare system doesn't pay as well as a private one.

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    How many times do I have to say this?

    A socialized healthcare industry in America will look NOTHING like Canada's. That's because we already have enough doctors so there will be no waiting lists.

    Also, doctors will be paid the same AND we will lower costs. How? By completely getting rid of the absurd for-profit accounting industry known as "health insurance" which makes money off of denying care to people.

    And even if there were waiting lists, the solution to that is to let capitalism turn healthcare into a commodity that some people can't afford. EVERYONE should have access to healthcare.

    When fire-fighters or police show up at your house they don't ask for payment before they put out a fire or arrest a burglar....
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    LMAO, I guess Brigham Young shlt those 56 kids of his own out of his ass.

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    Hey, either way, it's been a LONG 8 years, so lets just see how this all goes before the bashing begins.

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    No, i chose to be indignant like those liberal ****s were in 2000.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mobilus View Post
    The Patriot Act will not be renewed

    The Wiretap Bill will not be renewed


    Were just going to have to wait and see how this turns out. I personally dont agree with a lot of Obamas domestic policies, he'll do well in the foreign spectrum due to the fact that it really cant get worse than it currently is.

    He'll follow the party policy regarding the priority of civil liberties over all else, including national security. He has my support simply for this reason.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mobilus View Post
    How many times do I have to say this?

    A socialized healthcare industry in America will look NOTHING like Canada's. That's because we already have enough doctors so there will be no waiting lists.
    You have a lot of doctors because your privatized healthcare system pays better wages, thus attracting more doctors. Your waiting lists are cut down because of the cost to perform surgery. When this becomes an option for everyone who is in need of it, the amount of people on said waiting lists will increase exponentially.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mobilus
    Also, doctors will be paid the same AND we will lower costs. How? By completely getting rid of the absurd for-profit accounting industry known as "health insurance" which makes money off of denying care to people.
    No, doctors will not always be paid the same because there will be less money for healthcare, and your taxes will go up because the money for a socialized healthcare system needs to be drawn from somewhere. Your health insurance will still exist, but most likely in the form of the medical services plan we see here in Canada.

    There's no doubt that you'll be better off under a socialized system than you are now, but you can't just think that it's the answer to healthcare problems because it isn't. Besides, quite frankly, at this point in time the US can't really afford to pour the billions needed into socialized healthcare.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mobilus View Post
    The Patriot Act will not be renewed

    The Wiretap Bill will not be renewed
    Hooray! My privacy will stay intact (sort of). Let's see how the next four years will turn out.


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    This is a disturbing time for America. It would have been sad if John Kerry had won in 2004. But this is far from sad, it's honestly disturbing. In a crucial time both economically and militarily, we now have:

    1) The most blatantly unqualified president in history.
    2) The first Socialist president, both in terms of policy and documented affiliation.
    3) A president so unscrupulous that he owns a mansion bought with the help of a criminal slumlord.
    4) A president who was mentored in high school by a Communist.
    5) A president whose instinct in college was to seek out the Marxists.
    6) A president who followed an openly racist belief system for twenty years and called its leader his mentor.
    7) A president whose political career was launched and fostered by an unrepentant domestic terrorist who hates capitalism.
    8) A president who paid almost a million dollars for fraudulent voter registrations and lied about where the money was going and what it was for.
    9) A president who is visibly soft on foreign policy and who surrounds himself with advisors who are hostile towards Israel.
    10) A president who opposed the troop surge that helped us win in Iraq and wanted to surrender and pull out in defeat.
    11) A president who is going to (this is according to the man himself) take our ICBMs offline, not weaponize space, scale down our nuclear armaments, not build new nukes as the old ones atrophy, give rogue leaders a diplomatic propoganda platform, cut all missile defense systems, slow the development of all combat systems, and not produce fissile material. This is the same man who wanted us to surrender in Iraq when we had never lost a single battle. It's pathetic when we as Americans have become so oblivious that we can not recognize our enemies' Christmas wish list when we hear it read aloud.
    12) A president who was unable to prove his citizenship but was elected anyway.
    13) A president who used every tool available to him during his candidacy to silence free speech, and is now in control of much greater tools like the intelligence apparatus, the IRS, and the military, and now is even talking about forming his own Obama army that would equal the power of the military.
    14) A president who only would have won literally 15-20% of the vote if the American people had possessed factual knowledge of his history and alliances, and who actively concealed his history and alliances for that reason.

    That's a lot of firsts for America. Oh, but he is America's first black president. How inspiring.
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    its in the hospitals best interest to provide healthcare to everyone and often, as thats how they make money. The fact you have to be a licensed doctor to perform medicine gives them a monopoly, so they can charge what they want and theres nowhere for you to go. interfereing with the markets screw them up. and since we interfere with our markets ALL the time, its pretty screwed up. we don't give it a chance to recover.

    i for one am against having the highest taxes in the world, we have one of the lowest, and its great. we just need to get more competitive markets to drive price down, or non-licensed doctors like doctor nick to take care of us for cheap.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Perma View Post
    You have a lot of doctors because your privatized healthcare system pays better wages, thus attracting more doctors.
    Tell that to the people who go to medical school and don't have rich parents to pay for it. Most new doctors end up being in debt for over a hundred thousand dollars due to student loans and then working in hospitals where they make less than an ugly waitress in a truck stop waffle house for a few years before they have a chance to make any real money.

    @Raistlin: Don't be a poor sport because GOP FUD finally failed to win the day. And speaking just on the basis of all the traditionally red states that Obama carried, I would say that many people disagree with you. It isn't the end of the world. And, on the bright side, if he does do poorly there is always next election, although personally I think he is going to be a huge improvement over Bush.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Perma View Post
    No, doctors will not always be paid the same because there will be less money for healthcare, and your taxes will go up because the money for a socialized healthcare system needs to be drawn from somewhere. Your health insurance will still exist, but most likely in the form of the medical services plan we see here in Canada.
    Actually, we recieve all the negatives of socialism in the form of taxes, and receive no benefits from it. For example, that 840$Billion dollar pork bill you heard us whining about, comes from the middle class pockets, to fatten back up the rich. All because they gave they're money away, to people who don't have disposable incomes to pay it back. Where if we spent a mere % of that, such as 300$Billion, we could of repaved EVERY road in America(alleyways, highways, dirt roads), fixed every bridge, and supplied healthcare for every American citizen. Also, the amount we're spending on Iraq is more money then was spent on the medical system in the last 200 years.

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