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The_Jelly
05-01-2010, 11:02 AM
So this is what I have for my new computer atm. I haven't ordered any of it yet, but since this is my first time building a computer I'd appreciate some input.
http://i41.tinypic.com/eir15j.jpg

stopthe_bomb
05-01-2010, 03:02 PM
What is your budget? That is IMHO a very bad build, but I'm sure we can help you. For 1, may as well get the i7 920 (cheaper and you wont have to flash your mobo's bios). 2 its triple channel processor. Go in integers of 3 for RAM. 3 6 9 or 12 gigs of memory. Why get 4770? DX 11 is here now. If your going to overclock, your going to want a CPU fan (i have the dark knight) I don't see a case. And this is preferential, but getting 2 640 or 500 drives and doing RAID 0 is much better. The 1TB and above drives have high failure rates too btw. Ill post my build I bought from newegg if you want.

Mookster
05-01-2010, 03:33 PM
Have you thought about going with a 6 core AMD? It's the same price.

stopthe_bomb
05-01-2010, 04:07 PM
Its not near as good for games as an i7. its an extreme multitask/extreme multi core uses. And ill bet hes more of a gamer.

The_Jelly
05-01-2010, 05:05 PM
What is your budget? That is IMHO a very bad build, but I'm sure we can help you. For 1, may as well get the i7 920 (cheaper and you wont have to flash your mobo's bios). 2 its triple channel processor. Go in integers of 3 for RAM. 3 6 9 or 12 gigs of memory. Why get 4770? DX 11 is here now. If your going to overclock, your going to want a CPU fan (i have the dark knight) I don't see a case. And this is preferential, but getting 2 640 or 500 drives and doing RAID 0 is much better. The 1TB and above drives have high failure rates too btw. Ill post my build I bought from newegg if you want.
I already have a case with fans. I'm trying to keep it under $1000. Or around there. Yeah, the graphics card wasn't the best of choices. I went cheap on the ram so save some money.

Have you thought about going with a 6 core AMD? It's the same price.
Not really, I figured since the i7's have HT that it would be enough. But yeah, I should probably go with an AMD build, SO much cheaper.

Its not near as good for games as an i7. its an extreme multitask/extreme multi core uses. And ill bet hes more of a gamer.
I don't game much, but I do from time to time and I wanna play it on decent settings. Post your build.

Mookster
05-01-2010, 05:28 PM
Its not near as good for games as an i7. its an extreme multitask/extreme multi core uses. And ill bet hes more of a gamer.
That's not entirely true. It holds it's own against the Bloomfield in 930 quite often, although there are admittedly some games that don't favor AMD's architecture. On the other hand, games that do favor AMD such as CoD: MF2 show the x6 outperforming the $1000 980x by a stretch.

All in all though, for this rig, I think a 965 black is in order.

NickF
05-01-2010, 06:57 PM
This whole notion that you need an Intel chip to get decent frame rates is getting ANNOYING.

I mean seriously,

http://images.anandtech.com/graphs/amdphenomiix6_042610231918/22633.png
http://images.anandtech.com/graphs/amdphenomiix6_042610231918/22634.png
http://images.anandtech.com/graphs/amdphenomiix6_042610231918/22636.png
http://media.bestofmicro.com/D/W/245444/original/Call%20of%20Duty%201680.png

Quite unplayable framerates, eh?


Now lets realize, the small tradeoff in framrates, is offset by video encode perfromance ad the like.

http://images.anandtech.com/graphs/amdphenomiix6_042610231918/22620.png
http://images.anandtech.com/graphs/amdphenomiix6_042610231918/22625.png
http://images.anandtech.com/graphs/amdphenomiix6_042610231918/22626.png
http://images.anandtech.com/graphs/amdphenomiix6_042610231918/22644.png
http://media.bestofmicro.com/E/E/245462/original/MainConcept.png
http://media.bestofmicro.com/E/9/245457/original/HandBrake.png
http://media.bestofmicro.com/D/R/245439/original/3ds%20Max.png

I mean, it looks serious competitve to me, and being in the same thermal envelope. What you gain out of it is access to cheaper motherboards, and great platform bundle deals.

stopthe_bomb
05-01-2010, 07:18 PM
For a 1000 dollar computer, yes AMD AMD AMD AMD AMD AMD ALL THE WAY. Sure. You can get 2x the computer out of going AMD over intel at the 1000 dollar price. Set a cap of 2000 dollars or 2500 dollars and if your an enthusiast you will get a 920 over ANY AMD processor ANY day. An i7 OC'ed will SMASH any AMD chip. And I am in no way an Intel fan at all. But by going X58 you get tri channel memory better Xfire/SLI support (both at 16/16). And btw, I've read every benchmark, from about every site you can think of, and I know what each processor can do. When the hell did I say unplayable framerates? NEVER.

I said Its not near as good as an i7 for games. And its not. Fact. Now that the more CPU based games are out (such as sc2 beta, check it out on toms) an i7 will do ALOT better than a 6core phenom. Even in some of the games a 965 beats the 6core because of clock rates. I never once said you wouldn't get decent framerate if you didn't have an Intel chip. You seriously overreacted and need a little chill pill.

HT has such a huge advantage too. (you already know that though)

And btw, all those charts show a base clock 920. You can even just do a moderate overclock and get a lot better results. You will never ever see me recommend a 975 or 980.

Oh and just a little edit: a 965 and a 6core phenom BOTH bottleneck 2 5870's and even 5850's in Xfire.


TOTAL:$2,169.87

that doesnt counter monitor and keyboard etc that i had to get too

The_Jelly
05-01-2010, 07:30 PM
Can anyone just show me a build of an i7 and a 965?

stopthe_bomb
05-01-2010, 07:31 PM
I just posted mine. And ill make a 965 one if you want

EDIT: here ya go, someone else may wanna check over it too, I whipped it up in about 3 minutes.

NickF
05-01-2010, 09:09 PM
That was a wasted effort as his budget is OBVIOUSLY $1000, roughly half of what you just posted, and where you admit AMD shines.
But you attempt to redeem yourself in second post i suppose. Although, icky ram.

http://img22.imageshack.us/img22/5609/dddddddddx.jpg
Here's my build, under $1000. I recommended some faster RAM, a larger hard drive, a slightly different power supply for a bit cheaper, and a slightly slower video card that is still more than powerful to handle all modern games. Oh, Did I mention a 6-core?! Yes, 6.
I chose a different motherboard as I despise ASUS, but left room for it if you wish to get the Rampage.

stopthe_bomb
05-01-2010, 09:26 PM
Lol? If you would read I told him mine was way above his price range but he said to post it anyways. So I did. Stop being stuck up and read the goddamn posts.

NickF
05-01-2010, 09:32 PM
I did. But you posted that build anyway, then posted the next one.

The_Jelly
05-02-2010, 08:51 AM
That was a wasted effort as his budget is OBVIOUSLY $1000, roughly half of what you just posted, and where you admit AMD shines.
But you attempt to redeem yourself in second post i suppose. Although, icky ram.

http://img22.imageshack.us/img22/5609/dddddddddx.jpg
Here's my build, under $1000. I recommended some faster RAM, a larger hard drive, a slightly different power supply for a bit cheaper, and a slightly slower video card that is still more than powerful to handle all modern games. Oh, Did I mention a 6-core?! Yes, 6.
I chose a different motherboard as I despise ASUS, but left room for it if you wish to get the Rampage.
That looks pretty good, thanks =). Small problem though. I live in Canada. The tax and shipping's gonna jack that up to like $1200. But that's still do-able for me I guess.

Mookster
05-02-2010, 01:22 PM
Well. I just bought a 965/5770 and I'm quite happy with it.
I'd grab an Asus Cucore 5770 (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814121363), 965 black (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819103727), Kingston 64GB SSD (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820139132), and Patriots (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820220410).
The SSD should give you a more noticeable performance gain for the $1000 price range. Everything else on Nick's list, I'd keep. Works out to be $29 more.

NickF
05-02-2010, 04:23 PM
I chose the XFX 5770 for the incomparable warranty although the ASUS has a better cooler.
and the 1TB black edition with the 64mb cache for the sheer size/performance ratio. Surly and SSD would be nice, but I think he may need the space.
The patriots are nice too, but the OCZ ones I found have lower latency and run at only 1.65v

Mookster
05-02-2010, 09:46 PM
I included the 1TB drive aswell. You're right about the RAM, I just have trouble trusting OCZ (but I haven't looked at them since 05, tbh.)