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n0.obAtroN
10-12-2007, 06:58 PM
There seems to be some doubt in people's mind as to if linux is the best sh*t out there. So, I wrote this quick article, Enjoy:

The wonderfull thing that makes linux linux is the fact that it is open source. Almost all aplications on linux are also open source. The really big advantages to this is:

#1. YOU can see + modify the code

#2. No secrets. Because it is open source there are alot of people out there looking at the source. This means no virus's, trojans, or just plain ****ty software.

#3. No Bugs. Ever found a bug in a open source application? Since their are so many people using the same application it is most likely they found the bug also. Now one of them (if not the developer) is going to fix the bug and submit a patch for it. Wonderful thing about open source. If it doesnt get fixed, fix it yourself or submit the bug to a developer.

#4. Open source developers dont have to factor in the buisness Sh*t. They dont have deadlines, so they take their time and make the code work very well. They have to use the application, so again they make it work well. They dont have to consider in the costs. Microsoft has to say "Will it cost more money to fix it, or to just leave it". By the way, most of the time it is: "just leave it".

#5. FREE. FREE. FREE. FREE. FREE.

#6. Extremely customizable. Extreme Eye Candy. Check out this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E4Fbk52Mk1w

#7. Runs on ANYTHING. Hell, they got linux for the psp, ipod, ps2, ps3, gamecube, PDA's, etc. If you have something that linux cant support, ask yourself this question "Is that a potatoe chip, or a processor chip?"

#8. Extremely fast and portable. The happy spot for Windows Vista is 4 gigs of ram and a 2.4+ GHz dual core processor and a 256 mb graphics card. Now that is a pretty hefty computer, a mighty expensive on too. That is what you have to buy to be able to get the basic "Aero Effects" like transparent windows. With linux I can get transparency, burning windows, 3D desktop, and a sh*tload more to run on a 1.8 GHz single core + 512 mb of ram + 64 mb graphics card. I dunno about you, but thats a hell of a difference to me.

#9. No applications. Well lets just say this: There are 159,750 open source projects on sourceforge.net alone. Yah, let me tell you, theres ABSOLUTELY NO SOFTWARE FOR LINUX.

#10. Thanks to the wonderfull wine (http://www.winehq.org/) project linux can run almost ALL windows applications. You dont hear Microsoft boasting about windows being able to run mac or linux software.

#11. Games? Wheres the Games? here dumbass:
First Person Shooter:
--> Nexuiz: http://alientrap.org/nexuiz/
--> Cube 1/Sauerbraten (Cube 2): http://cubeengine.com/
--> Open Alien Arena 2007: http://cor.planetquake.gamespy.com/arena/
--> Tremulous: http://www.tremulous.net/

Real Time Strategy
--> Stargus: stargus.sf.net
--> Stratagus/BOS Wars: http://www.boswars.org/
--> Glest: http://www.glest.org/
--> Warzone2100: http://wz2100.net/
Those are just the few I could find in 5 minutes. There are a total of 13,958 open source games on sourceforge.net alone.

#12. Secure. over 70% of the US Government pc's run linux. Why? becuase its secure. SELinux (http://www.nsa.gov/selinux/) is a modified kernal (which most distros have now) To make it extremely secure. It was made by the NSA, National Security Agency.

#13. Ever got a virus? hell, I get them all the time. Uttorrent, Limewire, and hacks that have been hacked. In the year 2000 there were over 50,000 known and ACTIVE viruses for Microsoft Windows. Linux: 15 non-active viruses. In 2005 there were a reported 103,000 viruses for windows, linux: a total of 52. Ever tried coding a virus for linux? If you ever do (which I have), within the first day you will be saying this: "Damn. F*ck this. Too damn secure and to hard to code a virus for it, I give up"

#14. War. War. War. Vi vs Emacs. Gentoo vs Debian. No dumbass. Since their are so many applications its just a matter of finding which one you like and voicing your oppinion. Compitition is good in the open source world, gives the users a simple choice and the developers a motive. Its not only linux, If you really want to get critical: Microsoft vs Novell, EAGames vs Blizzard, Norton vs Mcaffee vs Avira vs Panda vs who know what else.

So maybe Windows is a good thing, maybe it is: Without windows hundreds of people would be out of jobs at both novell and microsoft. Antivirus and security companies like Symantec, Avira, Mcaffee would all go out of buisness. Hundreds of people unemloyed in the call centers in India.

So there is one good thing windows has done: Givin your dady his job....

^^ may linux and open source rule the world!

EDIT: Screenshots+Aditional links:

http://rich99.com/images/table_final_tmb.jpg

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/d/d9/Htlasteroids.jpg

http://www.linuxgames.com/crusader/images/coldwarsearch.jpg

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/3/3b/Fs2_scp_deimos.png

http://games.mymyah.com/Shooters/TCElite/TCElite1.jpg

http://yamz.files.wordpress.com/2007/05/nexuiz1.jpg

http://img267.imageshack.us/img267/8742/americasarmybd6.jpg

http://www.linux-magazin.de/var/linux_magazin/storage/images/media/linux_magazin/ausgabe/2002/02/brave_gnu_world/vegastrike_terrain1_jpg/49455-1-ger-DE/vegastrike_terrain1_jpg.jpg

http://83.15.236.10/allegro/flightgear/vega_strike-3.jpg

http://www.divogames.com/games/astroavenger/screenshots/shot_640.jpg

http://www.itreviews.co.uk/graphics/normal/games/g252.jpg

http://www.igniq.com/images/star_wraith4200804.jpg

http://www.fathersfate.com.mx/images/beryl-abril07.jpg

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/78/Compiz-Fusion-Firepaint.png/750px-Compiz-Fusion-Firepaint.png

http://www.theopensourcerer.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/07/compiz-fusion.png

http://blog.slyon.de/wp-content/fusion.thumbnail.jpg

http://pollycoke.files.wordpress.com/2007/07/compiz-fusion_screenlets.png

http://img95.imageshack.us/img95/7894/instantnea3pi8.png

Lastly, Bizzard favorites on linux:

http://www.mandrake.tips.4.free.fr/screenshots92/wine_starcraft_1.png

http://www.wowwiki.com/images/thumb/2/22/WoWonLniux.jpg/800px-WoWonLniux.jpg

Otaku
10-12-2007, 07:27 PM
We are aware of this. Also, the games you posted are jokes.

n0.obAtroN
10-12-2007, 07:30 PM
We are aware of this. Also, the games you posted are jokes.

Well, then perhaps you are familiar w/ Doom3/Quake4 which both run on linux? ;)

Otaku
10-12-2007, 07:42 PM
o noes id software, run

n0.obAtroN
10-12-2007, 07:46 PM
o noes id software, run

lol, Check out the update.

Polie13
10-12-2007, 09:45 PM
I wub Linux.
Linux is your best friend.
All bow before the great power of Linux.

bat
10-12-2007, 10:50 PM
haha that calculator says '1337'

thats incredibly gay, dude.

that said, ive been wanting to linux up my old laptop,
maybe someday ill get around to it.

also: when you emulated those games like sc and wow, they dont have to run in window mode, do they?

that fire plugin looks amazingly useless. -.-

n0.obAtroN
10-12-2007, 10:58 PM
haha that calculator says '1337'

thats incredibly gay, dude.

that said, ive been wanting to linux up my old laptop,
maybe someday ill get around to it.

also: when you emulated those games like sc and wow, they dont have to run in window mode, do they?

that fire plugin looks amazingly useless. -.-

No, they dont have to run windowed, just had to have the picks windowed or it would not proven that they where taken on a linux desktop.

LordRaiden
10-13-2007, 08:50 AM
Warzone 2100 was awesome, played it on PlayStation 1 =D

n0.obAtroN
10-13-2007, 11:02 AM
Warzone 2100 was awesome, played it on PlayStation 1 =D

I enjoy it alot too :)

Super
10-13-2007, 11:11 AM
Windows XP professional sp2 is just as good. Maybe it's not as customizable, but it's a lot easier to use, the software available for it is much better, the games available for it are much better, and it's just as stable. I've yet to get a single virus or any spyware since I've formatted my comp with xp pro half a year ago.

It basically just comes down to preference. XP for me is much more practical.

Otaku
10-13-2007, 11:22 AM
If I played games a lot less, I might use Linux. Maybe if every game I own would run well on Linux, I would switch.

n0.obAtroN
10-13-2007, 11:24 AM
Have you ever used Ubuntu? Its alot easier than XP, I guarantee it. You can also run all your windows applications on linux thanks to wine/cedega.

Super
10-13-2007, 11:34 AM
Have you ever used Ubuntu?

Yes


Its alot easier than XP, I guarantee it.

No, it's not. It took me several days to get ubuntu the way I wanted it. It took me an hour to get xp the way I wanted it.


You can also run all your windows applications on linux thanks to wine/cedega.

If you're going to run windows applications, why not just run them on what they're meant to be run on -- windows?

n0.obAtroN
10-13-2007, 11:50 AM
Yes



No, it's not. It took me several days to get ubuntu the way I wanted it. It took me an hour to get xp the way I wanted it.



If you're going to run windows applications, why not just run them on what they're meant to be run on -- windows?

Cuase linux is more stable, free, customizable, and has everything you could ever want, available at the click of a button.

Ubuntu has a Package manager that has a list of all the software available, and all the software pre-installed. At the click of a button the software is downloaded, and installed automatically. This means drivers, games, applications, who knows what else is available at the click of your mouse.

Now microsoft windows doesnt have this feature, click a button and download + install Warcraft3, now does it? Which one is really the easiest?

"Windows is like a boat, Instead of replacing the wood where a hole is they simply patch it. 1 hole, patch it. 5 holes, patch it. 100 holes, get a new boat." --Wise Man

"The only thing Microsoft will ever make, that doesn't suck, will be a vacuum."

Otaku
10-13-2007, 12:41 PM
lololol anti ms quotes r funny

Also, I think some people would be angry if all you had to do to pirate WC3 would be to click a button in an OS.

ViperSRT3g
10-13-2007, 12:48 PM
You've given me a new perspective on Linux O_o. Even though I have a copy of Ubuntu in the first place, I just never used it.

n0.obAtroN
10-13-2007, 01:28 PM
lololol anti ms quotes r funny

Also, I think some people would be angry if all you had to do to pirate WC3 would be to click a button in an OS.

Thats the great thing about linux. All the software is available at the click of a button, and theres even some software available at the click of a button that you have to pay for.

Microsoft windows does not offer software-on-demand (at the click of a button) legal, or non-legal. You have to go to the store...... Buy it..... Come home..... Install it..... configure it to run on your hardware...... and then update it when playing multiplayer.... All of which has to be done MANUALLY.

With linux you point and click. Easy as that.

gamepin126
10-13-2007, 08:56 PM
Isn't everything on the internet "at the click of a button" ?

n0.obAtroN
10-13-2007, 09:42 PM
Isn't everything on the internet "at the click of a button" ?

yes, alot of the stuff on the internet is very easily accecable. But, It requires a little more effort to get and not all windows software is avialable via the internet. Wheras all linux software is.

saren
10-14-2007, 12:32 AM
I wonder why morons are so insistent on the desktop cube.

There's like 40 programs for windows xp that do this and windows Vista has 5 or 6 as well.

Most of all, they usually use windows pagefile management which flushes the cache when you aren't looking at the screen saving you memory and improving the performance of your machine. Something that the typical distros of linux lack in their built in environments.

Pete_Zahut
10-14-2007, 06:35 PM
@n0.obAtroN: Whats easy for you might not be easy for everyone else? Have you ever thought of that?

n0.obAtroN
10-14-2007, 08:23 PM
I wonder why morons are so insistent on the desktop cube.

There's like 40 programs for windows xp that do this and windows Vista has 5 or 6 as well.

Most of all, they usually use windows pagefile management which flushes the cache when you aren't looking at the screen saving you memory and improving the performance of your machine. Something that the typical distros of linux lack in their built in environments.

Linux has a thing called a swap disk. Most distros support up to 10 gigs of swap, which is used in the same way the windows pagefile system, just alot more effeciant.

Both pagefile systems and swap drives are designed to save you ram and improve the performance + stability of your system. It just so hapens that linux ram-saving shiz (as we will call it) can hold the equivalent of 10 gigs, whereas the windows ram saving shiz can only save you 1 gig of ram. Becuase swap drives can be stored off of your main harddrive, and arnt being written to a file on your HD (like the pagefile), it tends to be alot faster. Becuase the speed wont be dependant on other things using the same HD.

Not only does the fact of storing it on a seperate partition/harddrive come in handy for performance, but security also. With linux you have the wonderful option of encrypting the swap. Windows does not have this option.
So what hapens if you enter some credit card info into a web browser, the data is sent to pagefile.sys to save you ram, you turn of the computer, lose your computer at the airport, and some geek gets your credit card info from the pagefile.sys? Well, theres only a few hundred webpages he could start spending on, so use your imagination.

Linux is superior in every way to windows, no matter how you look at it.

PETE Zahut: how hard is it to point-and-click?

gamepin126
10-15-2007, 03:38 AM
Linux is superior in every way to windows, no matter how you look at it.

What exactly are you looking at?

Help at Support: Microsoft wins easily. Window's error codes are heavily documented and which can let you be able to solve pretty much any issue you have.

User Friendly: Once again, Microsoft. You can give any idiot a WinXP cd and tell them to install it. Good luck doing that with most linux distros. You also pretty much never need to touch a command prompt unless you seriously **** something up, and that's pretty much only for reformatting ore recoveries which you could still easily do through a UI.

Games: Hands down Windows, once again. There's no other OS with such a prolific amount of games, free, opensource, or otherwise.

Development: I've not seen a OS with more abundant supply of IDE/compilers for pretty much any programming language.


If you even try and say "but linux has wine..." I'm going to ****ing smash your face in. You're emulating another OS, which pretty much every other OS is capable of (except to my knowledge, Mac) so you're not really using linux do these things. Oh yea, ever heard of VMWare? I can emulate linux, whoop dee doo.

I'm not going to diss Linux on everything. It's a great OS, and is by far the most customizable because you have access to it's actual source. So it is what you make it. Linux is really stable and a great tool however it's no where near as useful or widely accepted as a power user would need.

n0.obAtroN
10-15-2007, 10:08 AM
What exactly are you looking at?

Help at Support: Microsoft wins easily. Window's error codes are heavily documented and which can let you be able to solve pretty much any issue you have.

User Friendly: Once again, Microsoft. You can give any idiot a WinXP cd and tell them to install it. Good luck doing that with most linux distros. You also pretty much never need to touch a command prompt unless you seriously **** something up, and that's pretty much only for reformatting ore recoveries which you could still easily do through a UI.

Games: Hands down Windows, once again. There's no other OS with such a prolific amount of games, free, opensource, or otherwise.

Development: I've not seen a OS with more abundant supply of IDE/compilers for pretty much any programming language.


If you even try and say "but linux has wine..." I'm going to ****ing smash your face in. You're emulating another OS, which pretty much every other OS is capable of (except to my knowledge, Mac) so you're not really using linux do these things. Oh yea, ever heard of VMWare? I can emulate linux, whoop dee doo.

I'm not going to diss Linux on everything. It's a great OS, and is by far the most customizable because you have access to it's actual source. So it is what you make it. Linux is really stable and a great tool however it's no where near as useful or widely accepted as a power user would need.


Wine Stands for "Wine is not a Emulator" dumbass. Its a "compatibility layer". Theres a huge difference. One emulates the entire OS while the other is a compatibility layer that alows un-native apps to run natively. So linux can run all your windows games, and all the mac games, and all the linux games, WITHOUT HAVING TO EMULATE WINDOWS/MAC.

I dunno if you noticed but most open source games where FIRST coded on LINUX then PORTED to WINDOWS for your COMFORT.

Ill bet you like talking to those people in the call centers of India dont you? "Oh baby, I have a problem with my computer......". "Vell Lats cee if we keen can doo about it, me as goood grummer".

Linux is the best documented operating system in the world. Theres a tool called "man" which is used to access the "man pages". Man stands for manual. When installing software it also comes with the MANUAL (man pages) that are easily accesable and cover how to use the software, what it does etc.

THERE IS NO SOFTWARE THAT DOES NOT COME WITHOUT DOCUMENTATION IN THE OPEN SOURCE WORLD.

Now, ever wonder why all the bugs in windows have to be documented? Becuase theres so many. I would rather have no documentation about bugs, then have documentation about bugs with the bugs. It is cheaper to document the bugs then fix them.

I sure hope you know why windows has to have a support center........

Never have to touch the command promt? Sorry sonny, linux doesnt have a command prompt.

On the subject of the command prompt, with linux you can take any old computer and make it run a file and print server just fine. To compete with this microsoft was planning to release a "Mini Edition" of windows. This failed horribly when they discovered they had made the command line dependant upon on the GUI running. That is ABSOLUTELY PITIFUL. Really poor implementation.

User friendly? well.... let me see.... hang on... gotta to a google search... Ok, here is what I found : OVER 5,890 CHANNELS OF LIVE CHAT WITH THE DEVELOPERS ON irc.freenode.net. What you gonna do with microsoft, send them an email and wait a week for a reply? Screw that, get online and talk to the person who made the program, not some dipsh*t from india.

One last thing, how dumb are you? no seriously, how dumb? There is an install Icon on the desktop of ubuntu.

Here is a howto for installing ubuntu on a computer:
1. boot into ubuntu
2. click the install icon located on the desktop
3. click "Quick Install"
4. hit "Ok"
5 watch as it installs your wonderful operating system

Here is a howto for installing windows on a computer
1. obtain or purchase a copy of windows XP/Vista from your locale reatailer (100-500 american bucks)
2. Boot the windows installer cd and pray that it supports your BIOS, or RAID if you use dual hard drives.
3. run fdisk and partition the disk, hope you dont get an error. You will need atleast one NTFS partition.
4. Format the new partition
5. click "ok" to install.
6. enter in your private data, aka name, location, etc
7. boot into windows
8. download + install all the video drivers needed for your video card
9. download + install all the wireless drivers for your wireless network card
10. download and install all other drivers you may need
11. install all of your software
12. Through out this process, pray you dont get an error, crash, or some kind of usual windows circumstance. If you get the blue screen good luck, your on your own.

Whos the dummy now?

EDIT: Installing windows looks like this:
http://web.mit.edu/ist/products/winxp/advanced/repairdeep01.gif
Installing ubuntu looks like this:
http://lunapark6.com/wp-content/uploads/2006/05/install1-2.jpg

saren
10-15-2007, 10:50 AM
Wow. You're an idiot. They don't port things to windows for comfort, they do it so people will actually use it.

Windows won the PC world. Linux lost. Get over it. Look forward to newer OS' that will challenge Windows.

n0.obAtroN
10-15-2007, 11:19 AM
Wow. You're an idiot. They don't port things to windows for comfort, they do it so people will actually use it.

Windows won the PC world. Linux lost. Get over it. Look forward to newer OS' that will challenge Windows.


Is that all you got to say? Thats sad. FYI: After releasing Vista mircrosoft's net worth went from 70 billion to 50 billion. Bill Gates is planning to sell microsoft and retire in 2008. And alot of computer retailers are offering Linux pre-installed on their laptops.

They port the stuff to windows so you have the COMFORT of being able to run it without installing linux, dumbass.

Linux lost? the war never ended, and linux is beggining to win.

saren
10-15-2007, 11:30 AM
That's a lie.

Nice job failing the facts. He's retiring. He doesn't own the company entirely, only 50% of it. And Microsoft's networth is more than all of every linux distro company combined and mac and solaris.

Not to mention Bill Gates alone is worth $60 billion. Muchless his co-founder or the rest of the company.

n0.obAtroN
10-15-2007, 11:37 AM
That's a lie.

Nice job failing the facts. He's retiring. He doesn't own the company entirely, only 50% of it. And Microsoft's networth is more than all of every linux distro company combined and mac and solaris.

Not to mention Bill Gates alone is worth $60 billion. Muchless his co-founder or the rest of the company.

THATS A LIE! LIES! LIES! LIES I TELL YOU! lawl. I find windows nubs so funny, always get a good luagh every post. I have a couple of windows geeks in my school, their so dumb that their funny, always fun to talk to them.

No duh hes retiring. Good hell, what else would he do? This is the first time that computer retailers have decided to resort to an older version of windows/linux for their computers instead of the latest windows.

No duh the net worth is more than linux, linux is FREE dumbass.

Unless you can come up with a good argument against linux or for windows, please to do not post here again. unless you post something funny :fun:

saren
10-15-2007, 11:40 AM
Well I can't argue with self-delusion. You're wrong but that's fine, live in your redneck, dumbass world.

Ironically, I was a network admin for almost 2 years and our linux boxes gave us as much, if not more trouble, than our windows end user boxes.

Solaris and Windows are the only two decent operating systems out there. Not my fault you're too cheap or stupid to buy either.

n0.obAtroN
10-15-2007, 11:52 AM
Well I can't argue with self-delusion. You're wrong but that's fine, live in your redneck, dumbass world.

Ironically, I was a network admin for almost 2 years and our linux boxes gave us as much, if not more trouble, than our windows end user boxes.

Solaris and Windows are the only two decent operating systems out there. Not my fault you're too cheap or stupid to buy either.

Well theres only about 6,000,000 dilusional people, nothing to worry about.

Thanks for aggreeing with me, unix is the best. (Solaris is unix based just like linux pall)

I run my own network with over 20 computers on it. I got fileservers, login managers, game servers, streaming servers, Appache servers, the whole ****load. If I had to do it with windows I would commit suicide and hope Jesus saves me.

EDIT: not to mention I would be a broke man also.

LoL, continue posting, I enjoy this.

You know most schizephrenic people dont think they are schizephrenic? Instead they believe everyone else is schizephrenic.

Pete_Zahut
10-15-2007, 02:42 PM
I run my own network with over 20 computers on it. I got fileservers, login managers, game servers, streaming servers, Apache servers, the whole ****load. If I had to do it with windows I would commit suicide and hope Jesus saves me.
Thats one thing that makes linux good, its better for running servers then Windows

n0.obAtroN
10-15-2007, 03:07 PM
Thats one thing that makes linux good, its better for running servers then Windows

:wink:

Pete_Zahut
10-15-2007, 03:18 PM
Doesnt make it better then Windows

gamepin126
10-15-2007, 03:21 PM
Never have to touch the command promt? Sorry sonny, linux doesnt have a command prompt.

I'm not going to argue every little disillusioned statement coming from your ignorant fingers, but I will say something about this; I was referring to a Windows feature, not the Terminal from Linux dip****. Learn how to read.

Oh yea, and Linux does (more or less) have a command prompt.

n0.obAtroN
10-15-2007, 04:02 PM
I'm not going to argue every little disillusioned statement coming from your ignorant fingers, but I will say something about this; I was referring to a Windows feature, not the Terminal from Linux dip****. Learn how to read.

Oh yea, and Linux does (more or less) have a command prompt.

No, Sorry. Linux does not have a command prompt. Theres a huge difference. The command prompt is a a tool that takes your commands and hands them to the windows GUI. The GUI then executes the command and hands the data back to the prompt. As I said in a previous post, the windows command line requires the GUI to be running or else there would be a "mini edition" of windows. With linux the thing you are **hopefully** reffering to is called the Shell. The shell is where everything runs from. This means all the software, desktop, everything is run from the shell. Instead of handing the command to the gui, the gui executing the command, and returning it to command prompt, You are typing it into the very thing that runs everything else.

If you would like to get a full discription of the differences between a Linux Shell and a Windows Commmand Promopt you must promise me you will not ban me, seeing as it will be 20+ pages and probably considered spam.

"I'm not going to argue every little disillusioned statement coming from your ignorant fingers" - I live by ignorance brother. Move to the south in the U.S sometime and you will know what I mean.

Dillusionment or pissed-off-ment? As I have said before, If you are going to flame in this thread come up with a good argument for windows/against linux before you post, or else it just gives me a good luagh.

EDIT: I know you where reffering to the windows command prompt. You said quote: "Good luck doing that with most linux distros. You also pretty much never need to touch a command prompt unless you seriously **** something up, and that's pretty much only for reformatting ore recoveries which you could still easily do through a UI".
In that you were discreatly making a reference to the shell saying "With windows you dont have to go to the command-line, in linux you do."

Pete_Zahut
10-15-2007, 05:10 PM
http://linuxmafia.com/faq/Linux_PR/kinder-myths.html][/url]Linux's command prompt is worse than DOS's

Linux, like Unix, lets you choose your command prompt. There's bash and tcsh, which are both clones of various Unix shells. A better statement may be that Linux's command prompts are like DOS's on steroids: They support redirection operators, scripts, and command prompt functions! If you don't like the power of these shells, you can use lsh, a shell that looks, acts, and feels like DOS! So, if you view power as bad, Linux is "worse."

http://lowfatlinux.com/linux-command-prompt.html
Im pretty sure that site calls it a command prompt and not a shell

n0.obAtroN
10-15-2007, 05:30 PM
http://lowfatlinux.com/linux-command-prompt.html
Im pretty sure that site calls it a command prompt and not a shell

That site sucks dick, go to the developers page: http://www.gnu.org/software/bash/
That page was written by windows type guys.

Pete_Zahut
10-15-2007, 05:34 PM
You only turned it down caused it proved your redneck ass wrong, in turn I could say your site sucks cause it was written by mac type guys

n0.obAtroN
10-15-2007, 05:49 PM
You only turned it down caused it proved your redneck ass wrong, in turn I could say your site sucks cause it was written by mac type guys

touchy, touchy. That was written by a bunch of windows catering dipsticks. It was written for very linux newbies. Quote "How Do I Use the Linux Command Prompt?" VERY linux newbies that are just migrating form linux and dont know how to type into a shell.

That article is hosted on gnu.org, gnu is a major linux distro. Let me tell you: IT WAS WRITTEN BY MAC USERS I SWEAR.

saren
10-15-2007, 05:53 PM
This guy cracks me up. He's so dumb.

n0.obAtroN
10-15-2007, 05:56 PM
This guy cracks me up. He's so dumb.

It is you who is to dumb to not get linux to work bro. Ive laid out all the data, webpages, screenshots and everything, and your still to ignorant to see whats under your nose. Its as easy as point-n-click, expecially with the new ubuntu comming out in 4 days.

If I am so dumb, prove me wrong. Should be easy for a smart boy like you. And if thats all you can say to bash on me, thats pretty sad, specially from where I come from.

saren
10-15-2007, 05:57 PM
Here, I'll make you show how incredibly stupid you are:

What is the difference between Ubuntu and Fedora Core 7?

n0.obAtroN
10-15-2007, 06:01 PM
Here, I'll make you show how incredibly stupid you are:

What is the difference between Ubuntu and Fedora Core 7?

Ubuntu is a debian based system. Fedora is a redhat based system. The package management systems are different. They look different.

P.S are you color blind, or just plain blind?
They look pretty different to me:

http://linux-noob.com/review/fedora/fcrh/images/fcr5.png

http://news.softpedia.com/images/reviews/large/ubuntuultimategamers-large_012.png

EDIT: fedora core isnt all that good.

Dragod
10-15-2007, 06:02 PM
I tried to install Ubuntu, didn't even work... but I think it was the fault of my disc... It had gone through a move and they all got scratched...

Anyway, I like Vista... So I have no reason to install another operating system... Screw OSX. That's all I gots to say.

n0.obAtroN
10-15-2007, 06:04 PM
I tried to install Ubuntu, didn't even work... but I think it was the fault of my disc... It had gone through a move and they all got scratched...

Very possible.

Dragod
10-15-2007, 06:08 PM
Oh, this would be a good time to ask. I have a couple DVD+RW, and I want to use something like Daemon tools or Alcohol to burn the .iso to the file, but I asked some people and they said that when it says "Disc needs reformatting" it would ruin my ability to rewrite anything other than .iso files. Any truth to that?

n0.obAtroN
10-15-2007, 06:11 PM
Oh, this would be a good time to ask. I have a couple DVD+RW, and I want to use something like Daemon tools or Alcohol to burn the .iso to the file, but I asked some people and they said that when it says "Disc needs reformatting" it would ruin my ability to rewrite anything other than .iso files. Any truth to that?

No, it just erases all the data on the disk. I would recomend DeepBurner for windows: http://www.deepburner.com/download/DeepBurner1.exe
It is free and has never cuased me any problems. Rather limited but good for burning iso's.

saren
10-15-2007, 06:21 PM
More detail. We're aware of what distros they are derived from, but what about them makes them different?

I'm curious. What libraries come default with Ubuy that FC lacks? What is the problem with the security manager on FC?

n0.obAtroN
10-15-2007, 06:27 PM
More detail. We're aware of what distros they are derived from, but what about them makes them different?

I'm curious. What libraries come default with Ubuy that FC lacks? What is the problem with the security manager on FC?

What edition/dereritive of ubuntu/fedora would you like me to compare? Theres many of them.

Aka: ubuntu feist, gutsy, fedora 1-7, ubuntu ultimate, ubuntu ultimate gamerz, POIS[G3], etc, you get the point

saren
10-15-2007, 07:17 PM
You can go with the most stable, current released of standard Ubuntu and FC 7.9

n0.obAtroN
10-15-2007, 07:40 PM
sounds good, give me awhile to type up the article, its gonna be a long ass bitch of an article.

Pete_Zahut
10-15-2007, 08:17 PM
He means give him some time to Google/Wiki/Yahoo or w/e

rellikmok
10-16-2007, 08:22 AM
I would have to agree with n0.obAtroN on this one, Linux does kick ass. I will also say that windows is definitely easier to use. No argument. It is just plain difficult to get linux to run on certain newer hardware. Sure its getting better, but its not quite there yet. At the moment, for most people, windows is the better choice of operating system(by windows I mean winXP, Vista is sh*t).

To n0.obAtroN:
I disagree with your tactics. We shouldn't force linux onto people. If it truly is better(which it is), they will all come around eventually. I hate microsoft as much as the next guy, but childish bickering is not the way to bring it down. We should help out people that are interested, not try to push unwilling victims to enlightenment. Let the people who prefer to jump through microsofts hoops and deal with antivirus software do what they will. Maybe they like feel of a light wallet.

To saren, n0.obAtroN, Pete_Zahut:
Why do we insist on operating system bashing? Especially on forums. You're not going to change anyone's mind. You're all just making fools of yourselves. Each operating system has its pros and cons. It's time you all grew up and realized there are other people in the world that might think differently than you do. Maybe then you could have an intelligent discussion that wouldn't be an utter waste of time and webspace.

n0.obAtroN
10-16-2007, 01:21 PM
I would have to agree with n0.obAtroN on this one, Linux does kick ass. I will also say that windows is definitely easier to use. No argument. It is just plain difficult to get linux to run on certain newer hardware. Sure its getting better, but its not quite there yet. At the moment, for most people, windows is the better choice of operating system(by windows I mean winXP, Vista is sh*t).

To n0.obAtroN:
I disagree with your tactics. We shouldn't force linux onto people. If it truly is better(which it is), they will all come around eventually. I hate microsoft as much as the next guy, but childish bickering is not the way to bring it down. We should help out people that are interested, not try to push unwilling victims to enlightenment. Let the people who prefer to jump through microsofts hoops and deal with antivirus software do what they will. Maybe they like feel of a light wallet.

To saren, n0.obAtroN, Pete_Zahut:
Why do we insist on operating system bashing? Especially on forums. You're not going to change anyone's mind. You're all just making fools of yourselves. Each operating system has its pros and cons. It's time you all grew up and realized there are other people in the world that might think differently than you do. Maybe then you could have an intelligent discussion that wouldn't be an utter waste of time and webspace.


Good man, just givin you guys a hard time.

EDIT: no offence, but dont you do the same with your little brother? Just a little hipocritical. Are you the cival right activist: "NO FLAMMING" or something? Im not trying to convince them, its just a good luagh for me. Had I wanted to convince them I would post a long-ass POIS[G3]/linux gamming howto. Need to accept that some people in the world think different than us. Hmmm. Well, thats the WHOLE point of BASHING/FLAMMING, making fun of people who think differently, on both sides. I am sure these guys get a good luagh from this too.

TIP(for all): Think before you post.

CrazyGerbilEater
10-16-2007, 05:40 PM
Good man, just givin you guys a hard time.

EDIT: no offence, but dont you do the same with your little brother? Just a little hipocritical. Are you the cival right activist: "NO FLAMMING" or something? Im not trying to convince them, its just a good luagh for me. Had I wanted to convince them I would post a long-ass POIS[G3]/linux gamming howto. Need to accept that some people in the world think different than us. Hmmm. Well, thats the WHOLE point of BASHING/FLAMMING, making fun of people who think differently, on both sides. I am sure these guys get a good luagh from this too.

TIP(for all): Think before you post.

you attack som1 who supports your arguement

i bet that takes brains, it also says alot about our local linux community which i shall be ignoreing thanks to you

c4tAc0mB
10-16-2007, 07:35 PM
you attack som1 who supports your arguement

i bet that takes brains, it also says alot about our local linux community which i shall be ignoreing thanks to you


lol

n0.obAtroN
10-16-2007, 07:39 PM
you attack som1 who supports your arguement

i bet that takes brains, it also says alot about our local linux community which i shall be ignoreing thanks to you

I know the guy, I'm supposed to attack him. Its my job. :fun:

Death(innocent)
02-11-2009, 06:18 PM
I know the guy, I'm supposed to attack him. Its my job. :fun:

linux is just a piece of crap... its an OS for really really poor people, windows is more compadible... the games dont **** up & freeze windows is just easier to understand... also anyone who owns a mac is retarded pay 6x as much as you would for a regular computer and wow... you cant make or recieve viruses... its a computer for newbies....

only morons get viruses... if you want a computer that doesnt need an anti-virus just use mozilla for your browser and viola no viruses

Phrostbite
02-11-2009, 07:55 PM
Ok first of all have you ever used a linux system? If you have not then you have no room to talk.

-187-
02-11-2009, 08:08 PM
This topic is two years old guys.

MiCrOz
02-12-2009, 09:56 AM
linux is just a piece of crap... its an OS for really really poor people, windows is more compadible... the games dont **** up & freeze windows is just easier to understand... also anyone who owns a mac is retarded pay 6x as much as you would for a regular computer and wow... you cant make or recieve viruses... its a computer for newbies....

only morons get viruses... if you want a computer that doesnt need an anti-virus just use mozilla for your browser and viola no viruses

You make it blatantly obvious that you've never used linux.

I also love kids that say Linux is too difficult. They're probably the same people that watched the Windows Help videos when you first buy a computer; I'd say when you first installed Windows, but I'm sure that's too difficult for you to figure out as well.

DarkLight
05-29-2009, 07:22 PM
You make it blatantly obvious that you've never used linux.

I also love kids that say Linux is too difficult. They're probably the same people that watched the Windows Help videos when you first buy a computer; I'd say when you first installed Windows, but I'm sure that's too difficult for you to figure out as well.

Agreed. If anything Ubuntu is even easier to use than Windows. You have Applications, Places, and System as the menu. With windows you have a start menu, control panel, and a million links in between each control panel item. Especially in vista. Now given this information, how can anyone not figure that one out.

DuckDuckGoose
05-29-2009, 08:26 PM
I love how all the linux users have windows emulation software so they can use windows programs / games, yet they claim linux is the greatest thing since sliced bread.

Antihaxer
05-29-2009, 08:53 PM
I love how all the linux users have windows emulation software so they can use windows programs / games, yet they claim linux is the greatest thing since sliced bread.
Sames with mac lovers who use boot camp and parallels.

MiCrOz
05-29-2009, 11:18 PM
I love how all the linux users have windows emulation software so they can use windows programs / games, yet they claim linux is the greatest thing since sliced bread.
Aint our fault the general masses haven't caught up yet.

gamepin126
05-30-2009, 12:06 AM
It's not the general masses fault. Linux is simply inferior in consumer support, all around number of apps and developers, and it doesn't have DirectX.

Fact is, Linux isn't catching on simply because it hasn't caught on. The vast majority of security issues can be fixed. And if you have a determined and skilled hacker even linux isn't going to save you so using security as the price of support/ease of use/all around compatibility with EVERY app isn't enough justifications for me. I use Linux on my EEE PC because it's just faster and uses less resources. But seriously, who's cheap enough (only people with jobs get to answer this one, sorry kids) to actually have to use Linux as opposed to Windows?

The daunting number of Linux distributions doesn't help at all, for hopeful newbies looking for an OS swap. There's no standards for Linux. It being open source might actually be one of the biggest things going against it. So many other distributions offer things the others don't. Most of them don't come preloaded and that means you're kinda out of luck unless you want to learn some pretty complicated (for starters) commands.

Until Linux has a solid answer for every single discrepancy and then some, Windows or at the very least Mac will always be more popular. Just because you can use Linux, doesn't mean you have to. Ever. And that's why there hasn't been a mass exodus.

YonderKnight
05-30-2009, 09:37 AM
In the end the argument just boils down to privately developed vs. community developed software.

Microsoft has paid employees working full-time developing their software, so many can argue that they will develop better software than volunteers writing code for free.

As we all know, this is not always the case, and a lot of times big companies write really ****ty software. Free software can always be re-written and optimized by anyone.

You could be saying, "So what if the software sucks, there will always be competition and companies will constantly be striving to create a better product". This is true in an ideal world, however in the real world, companies are greedy and many times resort to proprietary and closed standards and formats that only allow their software to be used with certain media. They know their product is the only one consumers can use and they don't have to worry about quality.

Open software and standards make it cheaper and easier for hardware developers also, because they don't have to pay expensive licensing fees to get their drivers certified like they have to do with windows.

So, a lot of times privately developed software is better than open software since there are full-time employees working to write code. However, greedy evil corporations sometimes develop sh*ttier code, and make life harder for all of us by sticking with their proprietary standards and formats.

n0.obAtroN
06-08-2009, 12:01 AM
I haven't been on this forum in bout 2 years now (bull riding accident put me out for awhile). I am glad to see it has had a lastin' effect, even if I was screwin' around when I made it.

YonderKnight: Amen. Well said. That's why we have community developed, but commercially supported software. This hasn't quite got a hold in the computer market yet, but it is slowly gainin' support thanks to Canonical.

In some cases, closed source software has its advantages. I would agree on keeping the source closed on an application to protect ideas/advantages that that software contains. However, I do not agree with not having a Linux port of the software. Some would argue that even if Linux installers where created for the software that because its closed source the software will only be able to run on systems supported by the installer. This is not the case, as third-party developers can create wrappers that allow the software to run on various other systems.

If companies where to create well-written software, and offer it on Linux as well as on Windows, Linux would have a greater hold on the computer community. It is the lack of the commercial software that drags Linux down. Linux is superior to windows, but is less supported by the companies creating the software. That's the catch.

The software companies are like my ole' granny: she wouldn't move out of her old house because thats where she was used to bein'. Even though the new house was nicer, had air conditioning, and didn't have leakes in the roof, she still liked clingin' to that old house. Likewise, it may take some time for the software companies to overcome their dependency on windows, but it will eventually happen.

My granny is doing fine now, if your wondering, in here new house thats no longer run down and mice infested. lol. :)

Calaspawn
06-08-2009, 01:39 AM
Welcome back. BTW you never gave us that article comparing ubuntu/fedora. :\

K? Pŕo?ćtiόnŹ
06-08-2009, 07:05 AM
Wow, can you make your signature any bigger?

But wheres the basis for your whole companies will eventually get over there dependency for windows? I can easily see a future where that doesnt happen.

Indefinite
06-08-2009, 08:07 AM
First of: each system has it's own purpose. Windows is mainly a platform for gamers, Linux is mostly a dedicated server/security system, while Macs are used by most graphic artists. The old divisions remain the same as they were in the '90s and even the '80s. The only thing that has changed over time is that the borders have blurred; Linux has become more desktop-ish, while Windows has become more specific. Attempts of complementing for each other within their own respective software are just that and are to be respected, nevertheless. Yet fundamentally each of these kernels have been written for their own specific purpose.

Any mainstream system pretty much has equal support within their own respective niches and as well as general purposes. Don't expect phenomenal security or server support by Microsoft for Windows, as well as don't expect phenomenal game support for Linux. Also, if a particular system doesn't have a port of specific commercial software, it usually has an alternative that does, more or less, the same.

So talking about lack of support or software is plain idiocy, especially when bringing virtualization and emulation to topic, which nullifies any reason for standing by just one specific kernel. Most of the time, the only thing such talk proves is the inability to search and adapt. And I know that the driver issue will be eventually pulled into this, so I'll just say: if you can't find a driver for the stuff you have, write it; if you're unable to write it, search for something else that is supported.

We can't have perfectly well-written software either, because we don't have perfectly well-done hardware and we aren't perfect after all. Each and every one of people has slightly different taste as to how they want their stuff to work.

Bottom line is that in the world that we happen to live in, it's good to have alternatives and absolutely one universal source would be a disaster in any aspect. So any flamewar between system fanboys is more of a wiener measurement contest rather than an actual argumentative discussion. While these systems may be written to compete with each other, eventually they make up for themselves.

And no, I'm not defending either of the systems - just trying to point out that focusing on only one point of view, instead of trying to take a look on the whole picture, is plain stupidity. Sigh.

n0.obAtroN
06-08-2009, 08:22 AM
Calaspawn: ty. My grandpa is going has had a knee replacement, and I have to run his ranch while he is out for the next few weeks. Otherwise I would be happy to type one up :)

K? Pŕo?ćtiόnŹ: Yah. I could probably make my signature a lot bigger :)

Microsoft vs. Open Source: Who Will Win? — HBS Working Knowledge (http://hbswk.hbs.edu/item/4834.html)

K? Pŕo?ćtiόnŹ
06-08-2009, 09:19 AM
First of: each system has it's own purpose. Windows is mainly a platform for gamers, Linux is mostly a dedicated server/security system, while Macs are used by most graphic artists. The old divisions remain the same as they were in the '90s and even the '80s. The only thing that has changed over time is that the borders have blurred; Linux has become more desktop-ish, while Windows has become more specific. Attempts of complementing for each other within their own respective software are just that and are to be respected, nevertheless. Yet fundamentally each of these kernels have been written for their own specific purpose.

Any mainstream system pretty much has equal support within their own respective niches and as well as general purposes. Don't expect phenomenal security or server support by Microsoft for Windows, as well as don't expect phenomenal game support for Linux. Also, if a particular system doesn't have a port of specific commercial software, it usually has an alternative that does, more or less, the same.

So talking about lack of support or software is plain idiocy, especially when bringing virtualization and emulation to topic, which nullifies any reason for standing by just one specific kernel. Most of the time, the only thing such talk proves is the inability to search and adapt. And I know that the driver issue will be eventually pulled into this, so I'll just say: if you can't find a driver for the stuff you have, write it; if you're unable to write it, search for something else that is supported.

We can't have perfectly well-written software either, because we don't have perfectly well-done hardware and we aren't perfect after all. Each and every one of people has slightly different taste as to how they want their stuff to work.

Bottom line is that in the world that we happen to live in, it's good to have alternatives and absolutely one universal source would be a disaster in any aspect. So any flamewar between system fanboys is more of a wiener measurement contest rather than an actual argumentative discussion. While these systems may be written to compete with each other, eventually they make up for themselves.

And no, I'm not defending either of the systems - just trying to point out that focusing on only one point of view, instead of trying to take a look on the whole picture, is plain stupidity. Sigh.man **** u bitch, windoez 4 life

kokokoko
09-19-2009, 11:06 AM
Sickness!