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Gantznaught
11-27-2005, 03:03 PM
Bhwacks would be better off if username registration were'nt obligatory

Registration keeps out good posters. Imagine someone with an involving job related to your forum comes across it. This person is an expert in her field, and therefore would be a great source of knowledge for your forum; but if a registration, complete with e-mail and password, is necessary before posting, she might just give up on posting and do something more important. People with lives will tend to ignore forums with a registration process.

Registration lets in bad posters. On the other hand, people with no lives will thrive on your forum. Children and Internet addicts tend to have free time to go register an account and check their e-mail for the confirmation message. They will generally make your forum a waste of bandwidth.

Registration attracts trolls. If someone is interested in destroying a forum, a registration process only adds to the excitement of a challenge. One might argue that a lack of registration will just let "anyone" post, but in reality anyone can post on old-type forum software; registration is merely a useless hassle (really). Trolls are not out to protect their own reputation. They seek to destroy other peoples' "reputation" ... Fora with only registered accounts are like a garden full of flowers of vanity a troll would just love to pick.

Anonymity counters vanity. On a forum where registration is required, or even where people give themselves names, a clique is developed of the elite users, and posts deal as much with who you are as what you are posting. On an anonymous forum, if you can't tell who posts what, logic will overrule vanity. If there is a user ID attached to a user, a discussion tends to become a criticizing game. On the other hand, under the anonymous system, even though your opinion/information is criticized, you don't know with whom to be upset. Also with a user ID, those who participate in the site for a long time tend to have authority, and it becomes difficult for a user to disagree with them (like high postcount, stars and rep). Under a perfectly anonymous system, you can say, "it's boring," if it is actually boring. All information is treated equally; only an accurate argument will work.

exzapel
11-27-2005, 03:22 PM
You made some good points, but it doesn't help the overall problem, spammers.
Registration doesn't invite MORE spammers, it keeps the "bored" ones out and the people with 1 or 2 posts in check.

Let's say some "anonymous genius" comes, yeah, they have their moment, but think about what the next anonymous person does, they act like they are this person that just filled us with knowledge and nobody wants to listen to anonymous users anymore.

Now, if the IP addresses were broadcasted for unregistered users, that would be a different story.

There is no GOOD way to go about anonymous posting, you just have to live with the chaos it causes if you want to look at the good points.

Maybe initial registration could be shortened/abridged to accomidate to the group you are referring to?

Akazukin
11-27-2005, 03:24 PM
Without registeration, many accounts will be created. I'm Akazukin today, I'm leet7711 tomorrow. You wont know who is who. A forum will be nothing more then a tag-board.

Admins cannot ban any accounts, spams will kept repeating. I spam you today via LAN. I spam you tomorrow at my friend's place. I also disagree that people with lives will not register. Rather, they can read the many postings online and decide if they wanna make friends and get involved in the conversation. The registration system have tested their sincerity.

People with no lives will not log into the internet , register and contribute ideas like what you did. They will play games 24/7 and watch TV for the whole day.

When you're a nobody in a forum, in this case no registeration, do you think people will actually help you in any way? You write something and you sign on the message, thats what signatures are meant to be. We register, and then we manage our account wisely. We exchange contacts with someone of similiar interest. Without registeration, it defeats the true purpose of a forum.

Gantznaught
11-27-2005, 03:44 PM
You're not the first one to say something around the lines of "people will be more likely to insult, flame, and troll if they're anonymous". This may be true... but people are already pseudonymous on most forums. The drama and hatred you see on pseudonymous forums is as bad as it gets; with anonymity, you'll probably be better off. If you can't force people to pay or use their real names, spring for a totally anonymous forum. It's a thousand times cheaper than a Vbulletin as well.

Oh and you clearly have NEVER seen an anonymous forum, the best forums in the world are anonymous and are ludicrously more succesful than a registry imposed forum.

EDIT:
Admins cannot ban any accounts, spams will kept repeating.

Admins can ban by means of IP, and they do that alot so its generally worksafe from spammers, trolls and idiots.

Otaku
11-27-2005, 03:47 PM
Where are they?

banana_sam
11-27-2005, 04:08 PM
There's not much problem with what Gantz is proposing. Basically, just add a "Guest" posting option. That way, if some random hacking expert comes up, he or she won't have to commit himself entirely to this forum.

Also, this would cut down on the hundreds of people who create accounts and post once to ask a question about inhale.

DA(
11-27-2005, 04:16 PM
It is fine the way it is because they don't have to register to read. Also, most of the regular posters started out as you described.

Gantznaught
11-27-2005, 04:20 PM
It is fine the way it is because they don't have to register to read. Also, most of the regular posters started out as you described.

What if they have questions? They will have to do the whole registering process thats just a hassle.

Btw why does everyone use my http://doom3.zoy.org website for their sig? Yeah Im referring to you as well DA(

Akazukin
11-27-2005, 04:35 PM
If users could post as guest101, you can see many new topics by guest111, guest112, guest114, guest118, guest119. Wont it makes little sense to create a forum in the first place? We can just create a website and a tag board.

However, it makes sense to create a registeration system to offer the guest an opportunity to join the forum. Identify himself, get to know each other in the forum. If they never register, the admin can decide their privilege. In this case, they can download inhale, but they should not post anything on the forum. In some other forums, you can post as anonymous. Thats what gantz was trying to suggest.

We must not think for the comfort of new users. We should ask ourselves why we created a forum in the first place. We wish to see new users, new nicknames and not thousands of questions by guestxxxx - guestyyyy.

Most of us have hosted forum experience. Would you make your group public or private?. Ultimately, you wish to have only presentable users in your forum.

Uniquely_Defined
11-27-2005, 04:46 PM
It would have to be moderated much more severely. And considering the current state, that would be nerely impossible.

guy476
11-27-2005, 06:05 PM
thats quite possibly the dumbest suggestion youve had.

People cant wait 5 mins tops to reigster for a forum? Nobodies life is that busy........

Taking the time to post in a forum will take longer than actually registering. If you cant take the time to register for a forum what are you doing in a forum in the first place?

BloodyBlade
11-27-2005, 06:23 PM
Wouldn't having no validation email be better than just letting guests post?

Sandman
11-28-2005, 09:21 AM
You made some good points

Nah, the website he copied all of that from made the points for him.

Gantznaught
11-28-2005, 11:34 AM
Nah, the website he copied all of that from made the points for him.

Mr. Copyright to the rescue

lpxxfaintxx
11-28-2005, 12:35 PM
Or we can add anounymous on mod preview.

Akazukin
11-28-2005, 12:44 PM
I have an idea. We can create a Guest forum, so that those who never register can post, but only on that forum.

The posts on the Guest forums will be deleted automatically in 1 day. Helpful mods can entertain their questions.

Lastly, change the 'register' button to 'Customize your user title'. Users simply need to input a nickname and e-mail. Once its done its as good as registered.

Gantznaught
11-28-2005, 01:10 PM
I have an idea. We can create a Guest forum, so that those who never register can post, but only on that forum.

The posts on the Guest forums will be deleted automatically in 1 day. Helpful mods can entertain their questions.

Lastly, change the 'register' button to 'Customize your user title'. Users simply need to input a nickname and e-mail. Once its done its as good as registered.

It still doesnt fit the case, because they would feel somewhat inferior to users who have higher post count, stars, rep and membership age. Thats the problem of registered forums, people bluff each other because they feel superior, there's too much vanity, even though the dont show it directly its clearly noticeable.

DA(
11-28-2005, 04:14 PM
What if they have questions? They will have to do the whole registering process thats just a hassle.

Btw why does everyone use my http://doom3.zoy.org website for their sig? Yeah Im referring to you as well DA(Referring me to what?

hba
11-28-2005, 04:14 PM
The idea is a good one in theory, but you can't trust 80% of the people on the internet.
There's an understatement of the year. :P

100% seems more realisitic than 80%.

banana_sam
11-28-2005, 05:26 PM
You can trust me. ;)