Edgar Mitchell, respected Astronaut who walked on the moon, admits aliens exist.

[exzapel]

I like the way you think.

You like the way he thinks... You mean the way I think?
I said that same thing like 12 times.

[ProtomanMt]

You like the way he thinks... You mean the way I think?
I said that same thing like 12 times.

Maybe I should have rephrased; I admire the way he writes and delineates his ideas through text. :D

[exzapel]

Maybe I should have rephrased; I admire the way he writes and delineates his ideas through text. :D

What does that have to do with his thought patterns?

[ProtomanMt]

What does that have to do with his thought patterns?

Everyone has their own style in writting. I just admire his style and the way he portrays his ideas through that style.

[exzapel]

But that's completely irrelevant to your original statement.

[ProtomanMt]

But that's completely irrelevant to your original statement.

How is it irrelevant? In addition, you probably thought about what he stated, but never implemented it through text. I've clearly stated that I admire his way of thinking and the way he deliniates his ideas in writing. Is there a problem with complementing him or something?

[exzapel]

There's no reason for me to start an argument over nothing, I apologize for that.
I understood what he said exactly, it was your initial comment on what he said that was confusing, and if something just went over my head, then so be it.

But in regards to what he said, I find it silly how YOU find it silly that aliens could even possibly exist. There is an extremely high probability that life exists on other planets. Just because flying saucer sightings hold no ground doesn't change that.

And I completely refuse to touch on the subject of God in relation to aliens.

[Deg™]

So if its so statistically impossible that aliens DON'T exist, why do we have no empirical proof?

Face it, your insistence that aliens exist is just as silly as you all seem to think a belief in God is.

[ProtomanMt]

So if its so statistically impossible that aliens DON'T exist, why do we have no empirical proof?

Face it, your insistence that aliens exist is just as silly as you all seem to think a belief in God is.

Both sides seem to have a negative. :\

Saying one side holds more truth than the other is contradictory because no evidence really relys on both.

[Deg™]

I want people to believe what they want to believe, but to say that its impossible for there to not be aliens without any empirical proof, but insist that there is no God for the same reason, i get a little annoyed.

[exzapel]

It's not statistically impossible, just highly probable. My point was that he said it was stupid to believe that it was possible to the extent of calling it falsified bull****. To reference another thread, we don't have any evidence that hawking radiation exists, but there are people who are willing to risk creating a black hole to prove it because the belief in it has scientific grounding. If it was pure conjecture, nobody would give it second thought.
The same applies for aliens, there is science behind that belief too, IE its being statistically probable, especially when faced with the evidence of water on other planets.

[DuckDuckGoose]

The universe is created of the same matter and has already shown itself to be a life bearing system, taking this and the size of the universe into consideration, you can conclude that alien life forms must exist beyond the reach of our solar system.
To not believe so is foolish, we need only to look at our planet to know that the universe spawns life, and the law of probability says that it's happen elsewhere, and will happen again.

Onto god, there is absolutely no proof what so ever of gods existence, while for alien life in the universe we have ourselves and our planet to look at.
I do not discredit the existence of a god, however I do not personally believe in such a being. I do however discredit our understanding of this god if it is a real being, I do not believe that any of our religions are right, and honestly how could they be.
But to say that the universe is barren of life besides our little planet is just foolhardy and folly. Any who think so have their mind clouded by their ego and their arrogance. They wish to believe that we our special, and they hide behind words, asking for proof of existence of life outside our solar system, when we need only look at ourselves to know that the universe spawns life. They never take us into consideration.

Edit: Just to clarify, I do not believe the person whom this thread is about. It's my opinion that he is a liar and just looking for attention.
I do not believe our species will ever find sentient life, I don't think that we will be around long enough to find any life in the universe besides what may be within our own solar system.

[AnAlbinoAligator]

Thats not entirely true. Have you ever heard about the studies the military has done? Where the more advanced you get it becomes easier for a less advanced opponent to destroy you.
I was reading about it when the military botched one of their war games, basically they pitted high tech equipment against a rebel force that was using much less advanced stuff, they expected a landslide victory from the high tech devices only what they got was utter defeat and humiliation when their precious technology failed them.

Anyway point is we're pretty well defended, yes a alien race that is advanced enough to visit our planet could be packing some mean weapons, but that doesn't mean that they could take this planet down easily. We have nuclear weapons capable of space flight (I'd like to see something try to shrug off a nuclear blast in 0 gravity, even if by some miracle they had armor that could protect their ship from being destroyed theres still the radiation and the massive shockwave that would rattle everything inside their ship around like a pinball machine), and our ground troop weapons would kill a organic creature from another planet just as easily as they kill humans.

Edit: I just wanted to expand a bit on some things, the magical armor I was talking about that could block a nuclear blast does not exist, the universe is made up of the same material and there is no known material that is strong enough and heat resistant enough to actually hold up under a nuclear blast, the heat from the blast alone would flash melt anything in its range.
Another reason why we wouldn't be in to great of danger is because of our nature, we would not have a single problem with using nuclear weapons, thousands upon thousands to save our planet. We are by nature a hate filled and vengeful race we will use any weapon to protect ourselves and destroy our enemy, if some alien race was to suddenly appear and attack us and we started losing we would most likely nuke ourselves into obliteration just so they couldn't have the planet, kinda like a final **** you to them because thats just the way humans are.

However if they outnumbered us lets say 1-3 AND have more high tech equipment even if all of the world joined together we would still have a HUGE ass chance of losing which infact will destroy the human race even if we nuked ourselves if there high tech is so great they can probably rebuild it slowly not counting on the fact it will make the earth itself explode into dust THEN AND ONLY THEN could earth not be in there command

[DuckDuckGoose]

... What in the hell did you just rattle off? Ok first off you said "However if they outnumbered us lets say 1-3". That shows us as having the advantage, to say that they outnumbered us you would need to say '3 to 1 / or 3-1'. Your post makes absolutely no sense what so ever, please if you are going to post, get a rudimentary grasp of the English language.

I however have deciphered parts of your post, let us look at them shall we.

"even if all of the world joined together we would still have a HUGE ass chance of losing"

I never said we didn't have a chance of loosing, however our chance of winning or at least screwing the other guy is much higher than you may think. Nuclear weapons are a great equalizer, it does not matter how great their technology is, our bombs would still be as effect as they are against us. No material in the universe can withstand a nuclear bombs blast, neither could any living being.

"if there high tech is so great they can probably rebuild it slowly"

That is very possible, however the massive amounts of casualties our nuclear bombs would have inflicted upon them would make them think differently about sticking it out to this point. They would also have to wait until the nuclear winter was done with before they could start to reap any reward from the planet, which is another deterrent.

"not counting on the fact it will make the earth itself explode into dust THEN AND ONLY THEN could earth not be in there command"

I don't know where you get this 'fact' from but we do not possess enough nuclear weapons to physically blow the planet into dust, eradicate all life on the surface? Yeah sure we have enough to do that, but to physically destroy the planet? No, no we do not possess enough to do this, and we never will.

Another thing to think of, the Alien life would most likely not use any super weapons on us, as this would in turn make us use nuclear weapons which would taint the planet.
The most likely form of attack would be a vast ground war and a conventional bombing / lasering of our major cities. A ground war we could most certainly hold our own (we are 6 billion strong and growing rapidly, id like to see a fleet of space craft try carry more than 6 billion alien lifeforms here), we already have massive standing armies and tons of weapons. The real problem would be air superiority, sure we have missiles and those could easily take down a space ship, but our aircraft would most likely be no match for theirs.

There comes a point when advanced technology does not grant you a automatic win. We are now at the point where advanced technology does not grant you a automatic win, nuclear weapons will forever be the great equalizer. Bring your lasers and your death rays and giant city destroying walkers, none of those things could ever stand up to a good old fashioned nuclear bomb, and we have positively thousands upon thousands of nuclear bombs, enough to raze the planets surface several times over.

[exzapel]

Unless they figured out how to reverse a nuclear reaction, in which case we're ****ed.

[DuckDuckGoose]

That would be a feat that I would like to see any race of creatures in the existence of the universe past, present or future pull off.

Once released the energy has to go someplace, you can not simply tell it to stop exploding.


Edit: Oh this is something I completely forgot to mention, unless said aliens technology is properly shielded then a nuclear blast would make all of their wonderful technology useless. EMP's destroy complex circuitries, the higher the technology the easier it is for a EMP to make it nothing but a fancy paper weight. We have nuclear bombs made specifically to induce a very powerful EMP blast, while giving off a very low yield of radiation / destructive power. We also have high yield radiation / low yield explosion nuclear bombs for use in cities where we do not wish to destroy the buildings, but do wish to kill everything within it.

[Ghost-Flight]

Personally, I could care less if there are other other beings, All thought out highschool I had to put up with a teacher that told us about the Reptilian race that lives with us and hes one of the few humans they let in

[XxMolag BalxX]

Im just going to throw in my 2 cents in. Im sure there is something living out there for all we know it could be more humans exactly like us wondering the same things that we are wondering now. Our Earth was formed 4 billion years ago and for all we know that could be reletivaly new compared to the other planets out there. Earth and the other planets in our solar system were made from gas that was created after the sun was made wouldn't it make sense that at least other suns in the solar system have created plants also from the leftover gases that could potentially have living things on it. For all we know aliens are just humans from another solar system that was created long before our and are more technologically more advanced than we are.

Edit: I just read part of DDG post on this page and I kinda repeated some of what it said.