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Crytical says (8:38 PM):
So...
Crytical says (8:39 PM):
I'm in computer information system college courses, i am studying daily with ym friends and stuff (referable), and im back getting lessons from my mentor building such things as promap from scratch so i can eliminate more cost for my bussiness, and i have hacks on more web sites all-together then u, and more pull... i proved u wrong as many times as u me, why do you argue me?
Crytical says (8:39 PM):
If you want to argue previous schooling to me you sure havent showed it enough. JokerZ helped me discover some things today that im going to talk to you about with him to expose some of your 'knowledge' by the way ;p just future warning, i think tomarrow actually.
Crytical says (8:40 PM):
Reliability is another good arguement. You have actually scammed people. I have less then 5 people i owe money too. And will still pay in time and am actively conversing with them making deals to cover. So there's another lost arguement.
Crytical says (8:40 PM):
Three msg's to why our arguements are futile really ^
Crytical says (8:41 PM):
Your bashes only give me publicity, thats why i delete even ur leaked product from my site, you only help me
Mike says (8:41 PM):
I owe money to no one, I already have an education in this subject matter.
Mike says (8:41 PM):
Who do you think you are?
Crytical says (8:41 PM):
You owe to plenty im sure
Crytical says (8:41 PM):
And previous education obviousally not showing ;D
Mike says (8:41 PM):
I owe to no one.
Crytical says (8:41 PM):
Pft
Crytical says (8:41 PM):
Becuase you scammed them.
Crytical says (8:41 PM):
Stolen money isn't borrowed in my case.
Crytical says (8:41 PM):
I suppose you can play on that technicality.
Crytical says (8:41 PM):
You'll never find one i 'scammed'
Mike says (8:41 PM):
I haven't scammed anyone either.
Crytical says (8:41 PM):
I make up for my mistakes 4fold.
Mike says (8:41 PM):
Oh?
Crytical says (8:42 PM):
haha oh you blamed it on costas right?
Mike says (8:42 PM):
What about all the people that bought your "private" maphacks?
Crytical says (8:42 PM):
They were fine, still safe.
Mike says (8:42 PM):
But I've taken a look at several.
Crytical says (8:42 PM):
And im making them more. You judge time for scamming? Impatient ^^
Mike says (8:42 PM):
They're the same.
Crytical says (8:42 PM):
Ok hmm.
Crytical says (8:42 PM):
Iunno if i told you this.
Crytical says (8:42 PM):
But
Crytical says (8:42 PM):
Why is it everytime me and jinx need an example in our lessons
Crytical says (8:42 PM):
you're the joke?
Crytical says (8:43 PM):
I feel that's a low blow and have held it in, but you're no more esteemed then zoo
Mike says (8:43 PM):
The same reason Jinx makes cracks about you all the time.
Crytical says (8:43 PM):
Haha as if.
Mike says (8:43 PM):
You realize that Jinx is not all that great, I hope, right?
Crytical says (8:43 PM):
Improvable i've talked to him about it all, im not a random apprentice, im a friend.
Mike says (8:43 PM):
Then Jinx is just as stupid as you are.
Crytical says (8:43 PM):
He taught the founder of the very team you for example could not enter. While i may purchase it thanks to him.
Crytical says (8:43 PM):
Haha kay if you're that deep of denial im not angry anymore, you're just mentally missioned. Nvm.
Crytical says (8:44 PM):
We can actually stop right here and i wont be the least bit angry ;\
Crytical says (8:44 PM):
Why do you obsess over me?
Crytical says (8:44 PM):
You know all my moves as if always watching, if im sick you're sick, when i decide to make a game you decide too, if i come back to wc3 you come back ?
Mike says (8:44 PM):
I never left.
Mike says (8:45 PM):
And I've been working on a game for over a year.
Crytical says (8:45 PM):
Or so you say
Crytical says (8:45 PM):
Always remember you and I share the same methods as BUSSINESS-MEN (That's all i claim to be, not a leet hacker) the only difference is i keep a steady income of relaible knowledge.
Mike says (8:46 PM):
You pay for knowledge that you don't understand.
Crytical says (8:46 PM):
And i really did put all four names on my credit list, so iunno why you bluff that randomly
Mike says (8:46 PM):
You prove it time and time again.
Crytical says (8:46 PM):
You and me both pay for what we can't do.
Crytical says (8:46 PM):
But i keep learning on the side.
Mike says (8:46 PM):
I've never bought anything from anyone.
Mike says (8:46 PM):
Ever.
Crytical says (8:46 PM):
Within a few weeks from now nothing ive released will be beyond my knowledge.
Crytical says (8:47 PM):
After that will be the biggest test though, within the month, when i start adding online hacks. I do not believe either of us possess the skills to hack online games much like Ragnorak Online, right? However it is only timed dates in which i will be capable. Becuase of course ill catch on computer being my life and all.
Crytical says (8:48 PM):
You do keep resourcing better. But i believe my superior resources and self-learning mean that within the year ill surpass anything you can release.
Mike says (8:48 PM):
Superior resources? Give me a break. You have Jinx who's admitted himself he's not a good reverse engineer. I go to an accredited college and am two years from a Bachelor or Technology.
Crytical says (8:49 PM):
You've made a release your self to help people 'learn' id like to know if i can ask you a question about a very piece of your OWN released work, and see if you truly understand it, you think you could answer a question within 20 seconds so i know you didn't google it, cuz i only took under 20 with Jokerz, if i ask it of you tonight?
Mike says (8:49 PM):
And like I said, you don't understand half of what you're taught by your "mentor".
Crytical says (8:49 PM):
I have a national college also, and quotes are just modesty which you dont understand. And me and him dont move on unless i understand, so incorrect.
Mike says (8:50 PM):
Then he is a poor teacher.
Mike says (8:50 PM):
Because there is a lot you don't understand.
Crytical says (8:50 PM):
You realize he never once gave me a reversing lesson yet? ^^
Crytical says (8:50 PM):
I've been learning programming still. Soon ProMap itself will be doable by me from scratch. Understanding the sub-cpu depths of every line of code.
Crytical says (8:51 PM):
I have a serious question though..
Mike says (8:51 PM):
Sub-cpu depth eh? See, that's what I mean, hahaha.
Mike says (8:51 PM):
Stop wasting my time asking if you can ask questions and just ask them.
Crytical says (8:51 PM):
I don't expect you to understand processing levels of your machine give me a break.
Crytical says (8:51 PM):
And kk. Ill be as fair as possible.
Crytical says (8:51 PM):
It's about printing strings to screen.
Crytical says (8:51 PM):
Simple as that.
Crytical says (8:52 PM):
I assume you as i have done it from scratch in games as i even had a tutorial on basics of it.
Crytical says (8:52 PM):
Now the 20 second question?
Crytical says (8:53 PM):
i didnt start it yet ofc
Crytical says (8:53 PM):
its one send
Mike says (8:53 PM):
Boy if the question takes that long to type youd think the answer would take longer than 20 seconds.
Mike says (8:53 PM):
;p
Crytical says (8:53 PM):
I just wanna make sure u know what U SEND urself
Crytical says (8:53 PM):
wat U RELEASE* ><
Crytical says (8:53 PM):
I was preparing is all.
Crytical says (8:53 PM):
Ok ok reading time
Crytical says (8:53 PM):
25 seconds
Crytical says (8:53 PM):
Lol well im not going to be exact
Crytical says (8:53 PM):
Just dont pull a fast one on me
Crytical says (8:53 PM):
Ive told u everything and am giving u the question as i had it spammed within a few secs.
Crytical says (8:54 PM):
so ur in the same seat i was
Crytical says (8:54 PM):
u couldnt google this anyway so im not serious but meh, now i can ask it right?
Mike says (8:54 PM):
Yes, go ahead.
Crytical says (8:54 PM):
pushad
push textaddr
call 0043D97Dh
add esp, 04h
popad
ret
Why exactly, becuase of w32 rules themselves, do you HAVE to "add esp, 04h" and when is the one case, of the two total, that you DON'T have too?
Crytical says (8:54 PM):
Two simple answers, came to immedaitely at this point jokerz asked me. Apparnetly you didn't, maybe from lack of time, to teach him much.
Crytical says (8:55 PM):
This question is legit, it applies to all of our gamehacking strings. There is two ways, one requires add esp,04h, one does not, why for each?
Mike says (8:55 PM):
This is from my Diablo source?
Crytical says (8:55 PM):
Starcraft and Diablo.
Crytical says (8:55 PM):
It applies to both i promise
Crytical says (8:55 PM):
Differnet string functions is irrelevent to how your CPU needs to be treated basically.
Crytical says (8:55 PM):
STACK rather
Mike says (8:56 PM):
Starcraft doesn't use that. It was done in Diablo because the function I called doesn't fix the stack after it's called.
Crytical says (8:56 PM):
Well your quote on bwhacks says it
Crytical says (8:56 PM):
And Lol ok thats all i needed
Crytical says (8:56 PM):
The stack..
Crytical says (8:56 PM):
Do you fail to realize pop esp SUBTRACTS 4 from the stack?
Crytical says (8:56 PM):
While ADD is adding 4?
Mike says (8:56 PM):
No, it doesnt, actually.
Crytical says (8:56 PM):
How are you fixing something by adding a push?
Mike says (8:56 PM):
It shifts the stack pointer 4 bytes.
Mike says (8:57 PM):
It doesnt add or remove anything.
Crytical says (8:57 PM):
PUSH ESP is equal to ADD ESP,04h in a sense.
Crytical says (8:57 PM):
You are not fixing the stack
Crytical says (8:57 PM):
pushad/popad are all you need for that.
Crytical says (8:57 PM):
Well not stack esp/ebp i know.
Crytical says (8:57 PM):
But add esp,04h would be equal to a push... u dont do that AT THE END OF "BALANCING A STACK"
Crytical says (8:57 PM):
Fact ^
Crytical says (8:58 PM):
You are doing this becuase you've added memory of your own. Which means, IF YOU WERE TO SIMPLY CHANGE A CURRENTLY EXISTING STRING IN A GAME, you would NOT have to add esp,04. While when your adding it from your own programming, you do.
Mike says (8:58 PM):
Its equal to a push, but what you dont seem to realize is add esp,04 does not add any data to the stack. A push does.
Crytical says (8:58 PM):
I expected the simple stack answer JokerZ thought to say incorrectly.
Crytical says (8:59 PM):
It is shifting foward four for a reason. Not to balance the stack so much as equate it to your increased memory. But rest assured the term "Balancing the stack" is too incorrect to say.
Crytical says (8:59 PM):
Now it sounds logical that it's explained. But i just wanted this between us. I assumed that stack line is all i'd get, JokerZ himself said.
Mike says (8:59 PM):
Remiond me where I said anything about balancing the stack.
Mike says (8:59 PM):
Remind*
Crytical says (8:59 PM):
And i instantly added on the one case you wouldnt need add esp,04 while you did not.
Crytical says (8:59 PM):
Mike says:
Starcraft doesn't use that. It was done in Diablo because the function I called doesn't fix the stack after it's called.
Crytical says (8:59 PM):
"Fix" "BAlance" Dont play dumb ;p
Mike says (8:59 PM):
Fix != balance.
Crytical says (9:00 PM):
You're not really fixing it and either way you couldn't EXPLAIN IT
Crytical says (9:00 PM):
Is my point.
Crytical says (9:00 PM):
"Fixing the stack" but you couldnt epxlain why you had to
Mike says (9:00 PM):
I just did explain it, retard.
Mike says (9:00 PM):
Holy **** you're inept, why do I waste my time with this?
Crytical says (9:00 PM):
When did you say becuase you're adding your own memory to memory and must manipulate the ESP shifting foward to equate?
Crytical says (9:00 PM):
And you didn't say: "You do not need to do this when you are simply editing a pre-existing string."
Mike says (9:00 PM):
Actually.
Crytical says (9:00 PM):
Which are easy answers even for me and correct.
Mike says (9:01 PM):
You DO need to push the address of the string whether its pre-existing or not.
Mike says (9:01 PM):
But nice try.
Crytical says (9:01 PM):
You can call me names, retard, inept, but i still proved a simple point to you... I win. And i dont have to sink to them.
Mike says (9:01 PM):
Don't try to tell me how my own code works.
Crytical says (9:01 PM):
I didnt' say you didn't. It's based on the function's way of printing the data, if from the stack, you push it. Obviousally~ my point still rests.
Crytical says (9:01 PM):
Well im right and you're not so
Mike says (9:01 PM):
No, you're not.
Crytical says (9:01 PM):
Im talking about add esp,0h4 itself. You could not explain its use before me today. I proved that.
Mike says (9:01 PM):
You're claiming that it would be different if the string is "pre-existing".
Mike says (9:01 PM):
Which it would not.
Crytical says (9:02 PM):
You could not in-depth explain when/why it is/isn't used before now. Is my point that rests.
Crytical says (9:02 PM):
A few word answer that you can shift around at your desire is just a trick.
Crytical says (9:02 PM):
I was distinctive.
Crytical says (9:03 PM):
You also felt the need to lower yourself to calling me names, kindof humurous to my point.
Mike says (9:03 PM):
If you can't understand the simple concept of the function I'm calling not correcting the stack pointer when it returns, then you know less than I thought.
Crytical says (9:03 PM):
..
Crytical says (9:03 PM):
You say i know less when you could nto answer what i did?
Crytical says (9:03 PM):
kay.
Mike says (9:03 PM):
If I have to explain it more than that to make it clear to you, you're clearly not paying Jinx enough.
Crytical says (9:04 PM):
I was the one informing you obviousally.
Crytical says (9:04 PM):
See all you can do is insult.
Crytical says (9:04 PM):
Silly of you.
Crytical says (9:04 PM):
Your stereotypical answer is all i'd have to show to anyone with true talent to prove my point.
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